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welcome to night-vision radio

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hey everybody welcome to night vision

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I'm your host Renee Barnett and I'm

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really excited about tonight's show I

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think it's gonna be a lot of fun and

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very informative I might say should have

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done this show a long time ago cuz I got

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my colleague Heidi Hollis on tonight she

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is an author a paranormal researcher and

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maybe most importantly an experiencer I

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think she's also sort of a reluctant

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medium or psychic but she she doesn't

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like to call herself that but she

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definitely has those kind of talents of

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drawing the strangeness to her so we're

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so happy to have her tonight to talk

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about her own experiences and also her

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new book or her latest book the hat man

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where she has identified yet another

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strange phenomena and named it for us so

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we're going to be finding out about just

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who or what the Hat man is and what

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Heidi's experiences are with that hat

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man and also those stories from others

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that she's gathered in that same room

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I'm doing fine doing fine now I I heard

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MJ bragging over there about some kind

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of football score you guys must both be

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a Green Bay Packer fan yes yeah we're

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both from Wisconsin and I happen to live

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in Chicago so I'm surrounded by the ones

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that are getting fans right about now

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yeah tons of them you better keep your

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sports fan ship to yourself in that

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neighborhood I would say well they they

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understand they understand yeah

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you know I also want to remind everybody

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probably a lot of people listening to

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this show already know that you have a

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show on right here on inception radio

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network the airs live every Friday night

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that's 9 p.m. Eastern

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yes and 8 p.m. Central and it goes for

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90 minutes and there and then Tuesday

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you have the outliner then

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stays i co-host on the kevin cook show

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unfortunately where we argue and bicker

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and yeah i hear you too I tell ya

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neither one of you guys are very shy

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yeah it's on last week we had a great

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time talking of course about his book on

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Marian apparitions and his research and

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his own experiences in that realm so

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that was that was really interesting and

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fun and it's always fun you hang out

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with your colleagues yeah because they

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kind of get you know where I'm sitting

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on my seat and now it's my pleasure to

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have you on the hot seat we so should

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have done this a long time ago

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I mean before too long now if if you

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don't mind I kind of like to just start

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with you know just about you and almost

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as as your book goes the new book the

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hat man you kind of shared some personal

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life details about how you've caught

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sort of had these I start to say being

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drawn to these experiences but I think

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I think these things are drawn to you I

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called you in my posts today a

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phenomenon magnet and and because that's

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what it seems like it's like you always

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seem to be in either the right place or

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the wrong place depending on yeah it's

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not been a joy I could tell you that

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it's it's like no no not again it's kind

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of one of those situations especially as

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a kid having experienced way too much

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there though it's just absolutely

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horrifying it's it's nothing that I know

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of any child that's like yeah just like

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the Ghostbusters or something no it was

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horrifying and I just thought you know

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it was isolated initially you know thank

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house and then we moved to literally a

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brand new house my parents built so they

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having lived there you know

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being haunted and and I had experiences

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there that took a different turn and I'm

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like well crap and I move out as a

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college student and you know there's

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ghosts in my dormitory that are coming

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my way and it was just like oh my gosh

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and it just went from that aliens to

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anything and everything I don't know I

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think I'm cursed you know it was a case

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of you know to begin with it you had

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somehow presented somehow an opportunity

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for these entities or this phenomena

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phenomena to make themselves known or do

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you think that possibly you were in that

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situation in that physical location

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which happened to be haunted and strange

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things were going on and then is it

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possible that when you left you sort of

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took it with you um you know I honestly

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feel is like the home that we lived in

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was not haunted until my mother passed

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away and everybody said oh it's your

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mother haunting the house and it's like

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you know what mother do you know which

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one it's your eyes they're extremely

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young children you know I was seven

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five and then you know a couple of other

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siblings and it's like it I think that

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her protective love kept it away I think

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she kept it at bay and when she passed I

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mean that protective barrier kind of

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fell down and you know it's it's kind of

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all experienced something a little bit

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odd here and there in our lifetimes but

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mother lode of it all the time so if

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be able to experience the stuff that I

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do I just I guess you know I I don't

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know how to title it but my psychic

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friends and medium friends will say oh

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well you're a medium like really it's

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feel too ordinary for that it's like

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because I sure don't look for it it's

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kind of like waifu it comes when it

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wants

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III totally get you on that I I don't

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claim to you know have any extra psychic

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ability or anything like that but people

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are always telling me that and I do have

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things that happen and and have had over

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you know over my lifetime I think your

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experiences are a little bit more

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in-your-face type experiences with

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entities and things like that but might

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have been more with sort of just

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foreknowledge of something that's going

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to happen either through a dream or just

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through a sudden epiphany I'll just know

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something is going on remotely and and

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it bears out later but like you it's I

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didn't feel that there was anything

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particular about me do you feel that

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we're sort of all these conduits of this

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type of material or this type of

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information but you know some of us are

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just a little more fine-tuned I know you

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talked about in your book about you know

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there are ways to fine-tune it and maybe

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one of these days you'll pay attention

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to that we sort of all have that same

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ability and maybe just because of where

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you know certain variations in our body

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chemistry or DNA makes certain people a

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little bit more open just like some

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people are better playing the piano than

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other people and that sort of thing but

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do you think we all sort of have that

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but it's been sort of programmed out of

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us i I think I feel that everybody has a

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certain level of abilities that they

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they ignore or doubt or even question it

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always cracks me up when I get some of

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these emails from people that have

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experienced something I don't want some

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you know level-headed advice or whatever

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and and like one of their first lines is

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I'm not crazy I don't do drugs but I'm

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pretty sure my eyes are playing

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tricks on me I'm like hold it but those

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are the same eyes that you used to drive

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your car every day you know it's like

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you don't trust your freaking eyeballs

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okay Wow you know that's it's a doozy to

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me like people really like to look for

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any other answer except for the obvious

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one that's their eyeballs are using to

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transmit to their brain to say look at

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here so it's like I don't know it's like

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I feel like you know if we don't have a

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common explanation or our context for it

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like you'll see something and then you

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know not you necessarily because you've

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become accustomed to this sort of thing

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but the average Joe will just say oh

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that couldn't have happened so it didn't

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I must of my eyes must have been playing

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tricks on me or I just you know thought

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I saw that it was just you know you know

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a shadow moving across the room or

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whatever yeah so I think we do talk

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ourselves out of the stuff yeah and you

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know even experiences that are kind of

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in your face like I was talking about

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that you have you know very compelling

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experiences well sometimes sort of fade

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over time you sort of start

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rationalizing and talking yourself out

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of it yes I don't know I've done that

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you know and I think a lot of people do

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too but yeah I think if we kind of like

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decide to perceive things that we all

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might perceive a little bit more now I'm

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hoping we don't all perceive quite as

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much as you do yeah you know it it's so

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weird it's like I I'm like did that

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really happen you know it's like it did

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and it's like I was so glad that I

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captured a lot of what it was I

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experienced soon after I experienced

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some of the things because I think I

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would have lost the luster and the glow

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and the impact of it to some extent

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because I mean it just does kind of tend

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to fade over time our our memories even

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get drift apart and it's just like I

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forgot I dreamt of the World Trade

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Center planes going into the building I

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forgot about it

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I told my friends many years earlier and

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they're like you know I I it was

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probably two years after the World Trade

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friends and I'm like I think we're right

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and I'm like about what you know I

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totally forgot about it

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it's our memories are funny like that

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that now I didn't see the planes going

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into the World Trade Center but I saw a

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plane you know a big commercial airliner

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coming down and you know how dreams are

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you know sometimes you can do the

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impossible in the impossible as possible

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in a dream but I remember and this was a

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dream that I had repeatedly over my life

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for years and years and years and again

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I didn't immediately draw the

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correlation with 9/11 until I realized

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that after that they stopped but I had

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this recurring dream of a giant

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commercial airliner of standing out in a

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field now I'm thinking maybe I saw the

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one that came down in Pennsylvania and I

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could see the people in through the

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windows and I could see their faces and

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it was it was a horrifying dream that I

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had over and over again for many many

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years

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goodness so isn't that wild though a

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plain dream that scene you know yours is

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Hobbs absolutely connected mine wasn't

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quite quite as clearly connected but it

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did seem like it reminded me later when

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I thought about it of the Pennsylvania

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where the the people were you know

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obviously aware of what was going on and

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made the determination to storm the

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cockpit and bring that plane down so it

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that it was well but you know you were

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talking about your mom passing and how a

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lot of this stuff started at that time

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did why do you think that was because

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you you think that she sort of was

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holding holding the spirits at bay while

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she was there but

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she was gone there was sort of an

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opening left

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I assume Excel

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nearly immediate after she passed away

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and and an interesting thing happened

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with my mom's my dad's mom's my

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grandmother well she came over to visit

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us soon after my mom had passed away and

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my my grandma she is a pastor and she

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came to step a Pentecostal one mind you

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she came to step into our home and you

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know we were you know dealing with this

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that's haunting at that time and she

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went to take a step in she stopped she

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looked around or eyes got wide she

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stepped back out she's like I'm not

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coming in here your mother was a witch

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it's like it's like wow she stayed on

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the porch she would not come in my dad

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had to get her a hotel she's like

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something's going on in there and she

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never left from what I recall she never

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really spoke much else about it but yeah

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but I didn't know my mom to be dabbling

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and anything bizarre think so but I was

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quite young but my older siblings never

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said anything either I'm like wow that's

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weird

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said that you had had a lot of

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experiences in your life of when people

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that you cared about loved ones family

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members would pass over that you had

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experiences they would come by and sort

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of give you a little farewell or a

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little message but you didn't have that

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with your with your mom all right but

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the weird thing seems was that your mom

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might have are not your mom herself but

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perhaps the image of your mom was used

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to scare you could you tell a little bit

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about how that happened

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yeah um so after my mother passed we

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might my stepmom had been in came into

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the picture when my dad and she decided

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to build a new house to get away from

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the haunted house and so myself

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my two sisters it was weird it's like we

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all individually started having

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nightmares of our mother and it was

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nothing that we dared to share with each

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other because they portrayed our mother

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in the most horrific manner and it was

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always this image of my mom with solid

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black eyes going about trying to kill me

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and just being horrified by it and and

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it being so you know seeing her at the

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distance going Oh mom oh my goodness and

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running towards her anything ah it's

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this black eyed thing and it's it's

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choking me it's throwing me down it's

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chasing me I see my sister's running and

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I started to notice that my younger

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sister

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didn't sound so good on the phone and

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she had moved out already by this stage

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and and I'm like what's going on she's

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like I'm just having these horrible

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nightmares and I like really like that's

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weird and I like of what you know and

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she goes you know she was hesitant to

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say then my younger sister she's not

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looking so good she's not sleeping much

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and she's starting to do a lot of

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superstitious things like knock on wood

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and throwing salt and I'm like what are

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you doing

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and it's like I'm trying to make the

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nightmares go away I'm like what

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nightmare it says she described the same

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thing and then I was like okay

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hey all three of us got to talk and we

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talked about having these pretty much

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shared dreams we were all in the same

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dream I saw my sister's running ahead of

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me from this thing and I'm like that was

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the same dream my goodness like we

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literally were in them and yeah it was

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it was pretty horrifying and that

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happened from the age of like eight

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years old up through my 20s I mean I was

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just like huh it was crazy it was really

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horrifying and you know I it resurfaced

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again I have a good friend that's a

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psychic that I had on my show at one

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point and she doesn't like to give

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readings of friends thank God I'm like

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great don't do it you know

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I noticed you won't do that and then I

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got this feeling like during the

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commercial break I'm like you're not

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gonna talk about my mother are you and

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she goes oh how did you know your mother

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came to me oh I have to just give you

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this message I'm like no no don't don't

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bring up my mom and and we didn't have

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enough time to say why you know and so

410
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during the show it's just like so

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anyways your mom stopped by she's so

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proud of you and done it out of that and

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I'm like oh gosh you're really sitting

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this to death that I'm like oh that's

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great

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okay anyways moving along and then at

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the end of the show I go to tell her I'm

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like look I had these nightmares and

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whatever that thing was I don't I don't

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know I I don't want to think of it's

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just like oh hi to your mom's not a

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demon don't worry about that I'm like

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uh-huh okay great so anyways the next

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day I get this horrific email from earth

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egg her daughter woke up in the middle

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of night screaming and she ran to go

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help her out it's just like what's going

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on it's just like there's a demon woman

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in my room going through things

430
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terrorizing me and she's like Oh sweetie

431
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just relax hey guys welcome deck tonight

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vision radio we're gonna pick up right

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where we left off you know how do we

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were talking about the fact that you you

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know we're having these strange and kind

436
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of terrible experiences that were in the

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image of your mother after she passed

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away and I don't think you or I think

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that it was your mom but that her image

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and and and that essence was being used

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to sort of scare you or for some

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somewhat reason we don't know who was

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behind what was behind it but I was also

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saying the fact that you know when

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certain close loved loved ones passed

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away especially if you're particularly

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close like it's when my daughter passed

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away years ago all her friends got

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messages you know and even my mother she

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actually came to visit my mother then I

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she died at the time of her death but my

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mother didn't know what didn't recognize

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what was happening

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but I knew just by figuring things out

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you know although I found her in the

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morning then I knew about what time it

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was when she had passed and when I had

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talked to my mom later there my mother's

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in another state and she said you know I

460
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had this dream last night

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and she said it was so vivid and so

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strong and she said I was in this place

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and she said it was like a room she said

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it but it was full of like blue smoke

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blue fog and she said and I saw someone

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approaching me coming through the fog

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and she said I knew I knew that person

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but I couldn't quite make out who it was

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and the person approached and she said I

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met up with the person and they hugged

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me and I hugged them and I just cried

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and cried she said but I couldn't figure

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out who it was

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and she said but I it was so vivid and

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so strong that it woke me up and when

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she looked at the clock it was I think

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11 p.m. where she was and my daughter

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had died about 9 p.m. Pacific time and

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she was Central Time so it would have

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been right around the exact time but

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that was so amazing my mom didn't tell

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me about that for a little while because

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she just was afraid it you know

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everything was that upsetting to me at

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the time but I horribles sorry to hear

486
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oh thank you yeah I did find things like

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that comforting though and then her her

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oldest child had some experiences with

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some things going on around him so but I

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never did it and what I was saying to

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you is do you think that sometimes like

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when we're really really close to

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someone or when we're particularly upset

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or in grief and deep grief do you think

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that we can kind of keep people away

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from us from the you know get through I

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wonder because I do kind of

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you're that more often than not that you

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know like I mother didn't see their get

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a chance to see their daughter or you

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know somebody that was really really

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close to them it seems to be that the

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most like I lost a sister a couple of

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years ago and I mean she she kind of

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gave me a bit of a message and I have

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seen her in a couple of dreams but her

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immediate go-to person was my nephew who

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oh gosh how old was he five years old at

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the time and it's like you know it

510
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literally my my other two sisters I just

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come from the hospital it was like 3:00

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in the morning

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coming into the home and the

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five-year-old sleeping on the couch my

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sister goes oh my god what are you doing

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up you know and he's like all excited oh

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I got to tell you got to tell you it's

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just his eyes are wide you said he was

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just jumping up and down it's like

520
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auntie Wanda said that that she had to

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go to heaven and that she loved me and I

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told her I loved her too and that she

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was gonna miss me and I mean she they

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did not get the chance to tell anyone

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she had fast

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they just walked in the door I mean it

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was like oh wow yeah out of the mouths

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of babes it's like she's Wow I mean that

529
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was such a you know hey I'm gonna be

530
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okay you don't let everybody know you

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know there's no way you could make that

532
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out it was just beautiful so yeah you

533
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know it does seem like to happen like

534
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that a lot with kids you know because I

535
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think they don't have that self

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censorship that we develop as we get

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older like oh that's not supposed to

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happen so yeah obviously it didn't it's

539
00:25:49,940 --> 00:25:47,730
like they're so open and innocent that

540
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:49,950
you know it's like everything can make

541
00:25:56,420 --> 00:25:53,520
sense to them so that is interesting it

542
00:25:58,250 --> 00:25:56,430
does seem like a lot of children you

543
00:26:00,620 --> 00:25:58,260
know I've read a lot of books about

544
00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:00,630
children having psychic experiences and

545
00:26:08,030 --> 00:26:05,820
especially with angels angel appearances

546
00:26:10,430 --> 00:26:08,040
they seem to come to children a lot and

547
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:10,440
maybe they come to a lot of us a lot and

548
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:13,260
we just reject them you know who know

549
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:15,410
they're going to be surprised

550
00:26:23,630 --> 00:26:20,400
yeah but now you I know you had a lot of

551
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:23,640
you know what you termed it in your in

552
00:26:28,220 --> 00:26:26,090
your books a hat man you turn scary

553
00:26:30,590 --> 00:26:28,230
experiences and kind of horrifying

554
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:30,600
experiences throughout your life of the

555
00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:33,810
paranormal but yet here you are you've

556
00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:37,860
sort of carved out you know a profession

557
00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:40,860
following the paranormal how you kind of

558
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:44,510
how'd you get to that god only knows

559
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:49,170
Renee who write books you give lectures

560
00:26:54,170 --> 00:26:51,930
you you have your own radio shows you've

561
00:26:55,850 --> 00:26:54,180
been on television shows you do other

562
00:26:59,210 --> 00:26:55,860
people's radio shows like you're doing

563
00:27:03,620 --> 00:26:59,220
right now so out of all that horror can

564
00:27:04,210 --> 00:27:03,630
know your your very own itch so how did

565
00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:04,220
that

566
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:07,140
metamorphosis take place I you know I

567
00:27:13,340 --> 00:27:11,010
think truly out of need I actually I'm

568
00:27:17,030 --> 00:27:13,350
an occupational therapist keeps me busy

569
00:27:19,580 --> 00:27:17,040
enough but I as a college student when I

570
00:27:23,270 --> 00:27:19,590
first started experiencing the shadow

571
00:27:25,550 --> 00:27:23,280
beings I was just I knew they were real

572
00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:25,560
I knew what I was experiencing and I

573
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:27,750
searched for answers and could not find

574
00:27:36,350 --> 00:27:32,640
anything and as answers came to me and I

575
00:27:38,750 --> 00:27:36,360
thought wow this maybe I need to help

576
00:27:41,210 --> 00:27:38,760
put together something that would help

577
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,220
guide other people because I was given

578
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:42,960
the impression that this is going to

579
00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:44,970
become a phenomena that will spread

580
00:27:50,780 --> 00:27:47,460
worldwide but I didn't know I had

581
00:27:53,570 --> 00:27:50,790
already started at the time and so that

582
00:27:57,140 --> 00:27:53,580
was a shocker for me so while in college

583
00:27:59,570 --> 00:27:57,150
I working full-time working like two

584
00:28:04,010 --> 00:27:59,580
three jobs at the time going to school

585
00:28:06,530 --> 00:28:04,020
full-time and I wrote my first book the

586
00:28:08,660 --> 00:28:06,540
secret war it took me two months to

587
00:28:11,150 --> 00:28:08,670
write it and four years to finally get

588
00:28:15,470 --> 00:28:11,160
it published what a nightmare that was

589
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:15,480
and everything just kind of shot away

590
00:28:21,530 --> 00:28:17,850
from there I mean it was it was like I

591
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:21,540
put this book out and I'm like okay you

592
00:28:25,910 --> 00:28:23,730
know and I was kind of hesitant to use

593
00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:25,920
this word this name I made up I'm like

594
00:28:28,460 --> 00:28:27,960
well shadow people's what I call them

595
00:28:30,649 --> 00:28:28,470
and

596
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:30,659
you know I know people can't relate but

597
00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:34,010
and then it was like boom yes we can and

598
00:28:42,020 --> 00:28:37,950
thousands upon thousands of emails came

599
00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:42,030
to me immediately and at the time I had

600
00:28:49,549 --> 00:28:45,480
this thing called AOL and AOL would

601
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:49,559
delete emails if you got too many yes so

602
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:52,770
it every few seconds delete hundreds

603
00:28:56,930 --> 00:28:54,809
delete hundreds they were just going

604
00:29:00,500 --> 00:28:56,940
going and I'm like I couldn't open them

605
00:29:03,529 --> 00:29:00,510
up fast enough I lost so many and and

606
00:29:07,820 --> 00:29:03,539
then I started kidding females up why

607
00:29:10,610 --> 00:29:07,830
did you answer me like what is going on

608
00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:10,620
here that was my ID got in Costa cosets

609
00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:13,380
or my very first show with sightings and

610
00:29:18,860 --> 00:29:16,169
and then I did coast to coast and it

611
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:18,870
just it's never slowed down ever since

612
00:29:24,620 --> 00:29:21,690
and and my jaws just been open the whole

613
00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:24,630
time going this is already a thing this

614
00:29:30,350 --> 00:29:27,720
is already this widespread and became

615
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:30,360
the world's foremost expert on the topic

616
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:33,720
and though everybody likes to steal my

617
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,330
information and Oh make movies video

618
00:29:40,850 --> 00:29:39,120
games and all that but yeah I haven't

619
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:40,860
seen any of the movies just so people

620
00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:44,880
know not but I've heard and some of the

621
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:46,620
books I have not read them because I'm

622
00:29:51,529 --> 00:29:49,770
just it's just so bizarre and like they

623
00:29:53,149 --> 00:29:51,539
didn't wrote our friends my stuff what

624
00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:53,159
it's like where'd you get this from okay

625
00:29:58,370 --> 00:29:56,580
alright whatever it's it's the weirdest

626
00:30:01,940 --> 00:29:58,380
thing it's like I'll ask people what did

627
00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:01,950
they did they reference no Heidi no they

628
00:30:06,649 --> 00:30:04,380
just owned it themselves and like well

629
00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:06,659
they're gonna regret that at some point

630
00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:10,169
but it's just it's a weird thing it's

631
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,140
like you know I got poo pooed so much

632
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:15,360
from people when I would try to go to

633
00:30:19,159 --> 00:30:17,610
speak at conferences like what is she

634
00:30:22,460 --> 00:30:19,169
talking about and I always connected

635
00:30:25,220 --> 00:30:22,470
them to alien beings not not the other

636
00:30:27,890 --> 00:30:25,230
way around but as being like something

637
00:30:30,529 --> 00:30:27,900
ethereal like ghostly or something

638
00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:30,539
however they are connected in a way that

639
00:30:36,169 --> 00:30:33,299
way as well but they're there they've

640
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,179
got they've got something hands all over

641
00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:38,399
the place it's it's it's a truly

642
00:30:42,290 --> 00:30:41,159
frightening phenomena now you know for

643
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:42,300
people who may not know

644
00:30:48,860 --> 00:30:45,810
could you describe what what are the

645
00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:48,870
shadow people what and how did you first

646
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:53,070
become aware of the phenomenon shadow

647
00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:56,100
people are essentially a black mass that

648
00:31:02,900 --> 00:30:58,770
could take on various forms shadowcats

649
00:31:05,210 --> 00:31:02,910
shadow rodents shadow heavy shoulder

650
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:05,220
shadows was one that I named because it

651
00:31:10,460 --> 00:31:08,880
looks like a a big hulking man with its

652
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,470
head directly connected to its shoulders

653
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:12,720
and it's kind of rounded glowing red

654
00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:17,310
eyes but not always and shadow spiders

655
00:31:23,870 --> 00:31:19,500
oh my gosh that was the one I saw a lot

656
00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:23,880
of - and their presence is one of being

657
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:27,960
very nosey very intimidating very

658
00:31:36,020 --> 00:31:32,640
watchful and they often like to jump on

659
00:31:37,130 --> 00:31:36,030
people and choke them pin them down make

660
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:37,140
them feel as if they're suffocating

661
00:31:42,770 --> 00:31:39,810
until they just feel like they're

662
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:42,780
literally going to die and are about to

663
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:46,110
give up when they're released and so

664
00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:49,410
they essentially are seemingly choking

665
00:31:54,260 --> 00:31:52,740
and doing all these things to absorb the

666
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:54,270
the fear that's being emitted from

667
00:32:01,760 --> 00:31:56,850
people which is a really really just

668
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:01,770
serving you lightly oh you're dying okay

669
00:32:06,530 --> 00:32:03,810
I'm done you know it's like right when

670
00:32:10,940 --> 00:32:06,540
they give up they're done so they sort

671
00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:10,950
of feed off the energy of the fear it it

672
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:13,380
truly yes it truly does seem so and the

673
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:14,730
people that have experienced this they

674
00:32:18,860 --> 00:32:16,050
feel that too because they're like right

675
00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:18,870
when I could not give any more horror to

676
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:20,820
the situation right when I couldn't

677
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:23,340
allow my life to continue because I was

678
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:27,330
literally pinned and suffocating it let

679
00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:30,930
me go you know and it's like haha Macy's

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684
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685
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693
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Woodbridge you know what is what is

694
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,100
going on with this so yeah a lot of

695
00:33:08,260 --> 00:33:06,559
people I always find it fascinating how

696
00:33:10,510 --> 00:33:08,270
people are able to answer their own

697
00:33:13,150 --> 00:33:10,520
questions when they write me and again I

698
00:33:16,930 --> 00:33:13,160
have thousands upon thousands of these

699
00:33:19,060 --> 00:33:16,940
stories now and and and they feel their

700
00:33:21,010 --> 00:33:19,070
feeding off the fear they feel like it's

701
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:21,020
literally just sucking it out of them

702
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:23,809
and you know I came across this

703
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:26,960
phenomena initially because I I saw

704
00:33:32,380 --> 00:33:29,600
something following a friend of mine in

705
00:33:36,130 --> 00:33:32,390
broad daylight walking along in a park

706
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:36,140
and I I'm thinking I'm seeing things I

707
00:33:43,210 --> 00:33:39,679
see a big black mass hop from one bush

708
00:33:45,010 --> 00:33:43,220
to a tree and I'm like huh he's going on

709
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,020
here my friends just talking and

710
00:33:49,390 --> 00:33:47,600
carrying on and and I'm like I think I

711
00:33:51,630 --> 00:33:49,400
saw something that's just not quite

712
00:33:53,770 --> 00:33:51,640
right and it was huge like ten feet tall

713
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,780
she walks along we get to our

714
00:33:57,940 --> 00:33:56,240
destination we turned back to come back

715
00:34:01,780 --> 00:33:57,950
to her home I was staying at there with

716
00:34:03,789 --> 00:34:01,790
her family and it followed us all the

717
00:34:06,970 --> 00:34:03,799
way back and I got a real good look at

718
00:34:09,609 --> 00:34:06,980
it and we get into her parents door and

719
00:34:12,010 --> 00:34:09,619
I stepped in and I'm like I'm just

720
00:34:12,970 --> 00:34:12,020
beside myself I'm like look I don't know

721
00:34:15,700 --> 00:34:12,980
what I saw

722
00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:15,710
but I saw something following us and I

723
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:17,960
grabbed a piece of paper and I happen to

724
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:20,480
be a cartoonist and I I can I drew this

725
00:34:26,169 --> 00:34:23,359
head and shoulder looking creature you

726
00:34:28,570 --> 00:34:26,179
could see the image on my website Heidi

727
00:34:31,149 --> 00:34:28,580
Hollis calm of the heading head and

728
00:34:32,409 --> 00:34:31,159
shoulder looking shadow being and I'm

729
00:34:34,359 --> 00:34:32,419
thinking my friends gonna look at this

730
00:34:36,609 --> 00:34:34,369
drawing and go oh he weren't just a

731
00:34:45,010 --> 00:34:36,619
nutcase and she looks at it and she goes

732
00:34:48,659 --> 00:34:45,020
oh that guy and dad comes over oh is he

733
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:48,669
back oh gosh not again and I'm like huh

734
00:34:54,220 --> 00:34:51,649
you know I'm just stunned like what what

735
00:34:57,309 --> 00:34:54,230
just happened here and

736
00:34:59,950 --> 00:34:57,319
this darn thing you know it was shocking

737
00:35:01,960 --> 00:34:59,960
to me that they were so pretty much

738
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:01,970
nonchalant like oh it followed her for

739
00:35:06,250 --> 00:35:04,400
years she was a kid would hide under her

740
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,260
bed that she'd scream her dad would run

741
00:35:12,309 --> 00:35:08,960
and it would he'd see it - around the

742
00:35:14,890 --> 00:35:12,319
room or - out and like come on I had to

743
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:14,900
go upstairs - I was staying in there

744
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:16,970
their attic bedroom and when you go up

745
00:35:21,789 --> 00:35:18,650
the stairs it's like completely black

746
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:21,799
but then the room that I was staying in

747
00:35:25,150 --> 00:35:23,690
had natural lighting coming in it was

748
00:35:26,829 --> 00:35:25,160
broad daylight out so there's enough

749
00:35:28,029 --> 00:35:26,839
sunshine coming in that room I had to

750
00:35:30,940 --> 00:35:28,039
grab something upstairs

751
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:30,950
went to go do that turned around to

752
00:35:39,579 --> 00:35:34,880
leave the room and that darn thing was

753
00:35:42,579 --> 00:35:39,589
standing there just hulking over me with

754
00:35:44,319 --> 00:35:42,589
just I can't even describe the fear of

755
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:44,329
such a thing I get chills every time I

756
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:47,510
think about it because it just it nearly

757
00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:50,569
paralyzed me with just like this is here

758
00:35:57,370 --> 00:35:53,630
what's this here it's looking at me and

759
00:35:59,980 --> 00:35:57,380
I knew if I ran it was going to get me

760
00:36:05,049 --> 00:35:59,990
if I swung at it that it was going to

761
00:36:09,279 --> 00:36:05,059
get me and all I knew is that I had to

762
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:09,289
keep my wits about myself kind of says a

763
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:12,170
little prayer and I'm like I'm going to

764
00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:14,690
die if I stay here any longer cuz I knew

765
00:36:19,390 --> 00:36:15,710
it wanted to kill me

766
00:36:23,019 --> 00:36:19,400
I knew it wanted to and I took very slow

767
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:23,029
methodical steps to walk through this

768
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:26,960
thing and I mean I had a big dark room

769
00:36:32,140 --> 00:36:28,910
to walk through and I'm just like keep

770
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,150
your page keep your pace this thing was

771
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:34,640
so angry with me by the time I got to

772
00:36:36,730 --> 00:36:36,170
the top of the stairs my legs were like

773
00:36:39,609 --> 00:36:36,740
jelly

774
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:39,619
I literally fumbled all the way down the

775
00:36:46,059 --> 00:36:41,450
stairs and my friend found me they're

776
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:46,069
like saying it was just horrifying oh my

777
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:48,770
god yeah I see someone in the chat room

778
00:36:52,539 --> 00:36:50,510
is saying it sounds like Mothman I was

779
00:36:55,269 --> 00:36:52,549
actually I speak their way here and I'm

780
00:36:57,370 --> 00:36:55,279
like I see the I see the similarities

781
00:36:59,440 --> 00:36:57,380
that's for sure but yeah didn't look

782
00:37:03,039 --> 00:36:59,450
didn't look like a moth did not look

783
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,049
like no you know as a matter of fact I

784
00:37:07,569 --> 00:37:05,599
should mention we do have a live chat

785
00:37:09,999 --> 00:37:07,579
room going please join us when you can

786
00:37:12,579 --> 00:37:10,009
and I'll be happy to try to work in your

787
00:37:14,170 --> 00:37:12,589
questions when possible and when they go

788
00:37:17,410 --> 00:37:14,180
along with what we're talking about I

789
00:37:19,509 --> 00:37:17,420
love to have you guys join in and you

790
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:19,519
always give such great questions you

791
00:37:25,989 --> 00:37:23,410
know in fact you know thinking of that I

792
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:25,999
I was thinking about you know people

793
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:28,609
I've heard talk about now I'm not sure

794
00:37:33,849 --> 00:37:31,130
about shadow people but certainly black

795
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:33,859
masses and giving that same kind of

796
00:37:38,999 --> 00:37:36,049
feeling that you're talking about the

797
00:37:43,390 --> 00:37:39,009
sort of smothering the sort of fear

798
00:37:46,299 --> 00:37:43,400
inducing thing but all that that I've

799
00:37:48,670 --> 00:37:46,309
heard about have been generally you know

800
00:37:50,410 --> 00:37:48,680
fairly modern stories and in Carroll is

801
00:37:52,809 --> 00:37:50,420
I don't know if you saw Heidi in the

802
00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:52,819
chat yes yes asked have you been able to

803
00:37:59,319 --> 00:37:55,910
trace shadow people activity to ancient

804
00:38:03,390 --> 00:37:59,329
times I never thought about that yeah

805
00:38:06,579 --> 00:38:03,400
howdy Carol I love Carol she's awesome

806
00:38:10,269 --> 00:38:06,589
you know as far as tracing it back I

807
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:10,279
have learned that evil is evil and evil

808
00:38:14,439 --> 00:38:13,130
has been around for a very long time I

809
00:38:18,670 --> 00:38:14,449
think from the beginning of time

810
00:38:20,489 --> 00:38:18,680
so I categorized these things as kind of

811
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:20,499
being one and the same I you know

812
00:38:26,019 --> 00:38:22,729
shapeless being able to manipulate

813
00:38:29,289 --> 00:38:26,029
itself to deceive sounds very devilish

814
00:38:31,870 --> 00:38:29,299
to me and I kind of equate it to that

815
00:38:34,529 --> 00:38:31,880
but also being a darkness that's not

816
00:38:35,650 --> 00:38:34,539
quite from this planet at the same time

817
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:35,660
yeah

818
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:39,170
now you mentioned that you know someone

819
00:38:44,439 --> 00:38:40,910
in the chatroom it said it sounds like

820
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:44,449
Mothman that was Susan Susan G and I

821
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:46,910
also wanted to give a shout out to Susan

822
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:50,089
because she was the first person that

823
00:38:56,650 --> 00:38:53,569
suggested that I have you come on and

824
00:38:59,499 --> 00:38:56,660
I'm very very pleased about that and

825
00:39:02,729 --> 00:38:59,509
I've had others but Susan was the first

826
00:39:06,189 --> 00:39:02,739
one and she's a good friend and a great

827
00:39:08,319 --> 00:39:06,199
friend of the show here and obvious is a

828
00:39:11,259 --> 00:39:08,329
friend of your show as well so she got

829
00:39:13,870 --> 00:39:11,269
us together so we have blossom Susan G

830
00:39:15,819 --> 00:39:13,880
and the chatroom thank you so so much

831
00:39:17,380 --> 00:39:15,829
Thank You Susan we should have done it

832
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:17,390
on our own but we need a little help

833
00:39:20,999 --> 00:39:18,320
from friends

834
00:39:25,029 --> 00:39:21,009
[Laughter]

835
00:39:27,309 --> 00:39:25,039
also Susan if you scroll back up in the

836
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:27,319
chatroom a little but Heidi you'll see

837
00:39:34,749 --> 00:39:30,650
that early on she asked me to have you

838
00:39:38,799 --> 00:39:34,759
talk about if you would your guide on

839
00:39:44,410 --> 00:39:38,809
the other side is it case Oh calf okay

840
00:39:47,370 --> 00:39:44,420
oh yeah I see it um yeah okay it hold on

841
00:39:50,769 --> 00:39:47,380
don't your about your seat

842
00:39:54,789 --> 00:39:50,779
well calf okay all right gonna we're

843
00:39:58,599 --> 00:39:54,799
gonna back it up a little bit so ah so I

844
00:40:00,640 --> 00:39:58,609
I was living in okay sorry I had the

845
00:40:02,829 --> 00:40:00,650
experiences that I did with the one

846
00:40:04,420 --> 00:40:02,839
channel being that came after me and I I

847
00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:04,430
thought that my experiences were

848
00:40:09,849 --> 00:40:07,910
essentially done with I I didn't realize

849
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:09,859
that they had only just altered because

850
00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:11,450
I started having lots of nightmares of

851
00:40:16,479 --> 00:40:14,630
shadow spiders and and seeing stuff like

852
00:40:18,249 --> 00:40:16,489
that with my eyes open I'm like why is

853
00:40:20,949 --> 00:40:18,259
my nightmares still here you know it's

854
00:40:25,859 --> 00:40:20,959
just the strangest stuff so but I I

855
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:25,869
moved into an apartment by myself and

856
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:29,839
I'd had a very strange encounter while

857
00:40:36,130 --> 00:40:35,119
living alone I know K people I apologize

858
00:40:38,380 --> 00:40:36,140
for people that have heard this a

859
00:40:42,489 --> 00:40:38,390
million times but so I lived on the

860
00:40:44,589 --> 00:40:42,499
first floor in this apartment and I woke

861
00:40:46,180 --> 00:40:44,599
up to a lot of noise and my dad had

862
00:40:48,279 --> 00:40:46,190
always warned me a young lady living on

863
00:40:50,829 --> 00:40:48,289
the first floor you know that's not safe

864
00:40:52,660 --> 00:40:50,839
but I had bars like on the windows so

865
00:40:54,489 --> 00:40:52,670
nobody could get in there it wasn't a

866
00:40:56,859 --> 00:40:54,499
bad day BER hood was just a safety thing

867
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:56,869
and when I hear those noise I'm like oh

868
00:41:00,130 --> 00:40:58,249
my god my dad was right somebody broke

869
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:00,140
in and there her bars in the window I

870
00:41:07,180 --> 00:41:04,160
cannot get out like okay so I knew that

871
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:07,190
I would just have to bolt through my

872
00:41:14,439 --> 00:41:10,400
apartment and get the heck out of there

873
00:41:16,059 --> 00:41:14,449
I go to run out of the apartment from I

874
00:41:19,059 --> 00:41:16,069
had to run through the living room where

875
00:41:21,699 --> 00:41:19,069
I heard this noise and I stopped dead in

876
00:41:25,779 --> 00:41:21,709
my tracks mid motion because there were

877
00:41:27,279 --> 00:41:25,789
two little people I thought the size of

878
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:27,289
four-year-olds standing in my living

879
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:29,569
room but they're back to me and I'm like

880
00:41:34,660 --> 00:41:33,070
you know it's Curtis hold up what

881
00:41:38,350 --> 00:41:34,670
four-year-olds broke into my apartment

882
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:38,360
like I think I could take them in the

883
00:41:43,780 --> 00:41:41,530
sidestep between the two of them and

884
00:41:45,340 --> 00:41:43,790
they essentially had my stuff in their

885
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:45,350
hands and they're they're going through

886
00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:48,050
my bookshelf I'm like who are you what

887
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:49,310
are you doing here and I grabbed there I

888
00:41:53,950 --> 00:41:50,810
grabbed my stuff on their hands and put

889
00:41:55,780 --> 00:41:53,960
it down and it's just to speak for it a

890
00:41:58,240 --> 00:41:55,790
little bit there's two more in my closet

891
00:42:03,010 --> 00:41:58,250
two more in my kitchen two more in my

892
00:42:05,380 --> 00:42:03,020
bathroom and crazy crazy crazy nasai I'm

893
00:42:06,250 --> 00:42:05,390
like and I keep repeating who are you

894
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:06,260
what are you doing here you know I

895
00:42:09,370 --> 00:42:07,910
thought it was at death's door that

896
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:09,380
somebody broke in was gonna kill me and

897
00:42:14,130 --> 00:42:12,050
robbed the place whatever and there's

898
00:42:17,350 --> 00:42:14,140
little four-year-old looking bald-headed

899
00:42:23,890 --> 00:42:17,360
gray alien beings instead that's what

900
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:23,900
they were and yeah so these guys I none

901
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:25,910
of them were answering but they all had

902
00:42:29,590 --> 00:42:27,170
this little look of surprise on their

903
00:42:32,260 --> 00:42:29,600
face with like a like wow you said oh I

904
00:42:33,940 --> 00:42:32,270
literally had a their mouths net shape

905
00:42:40,420 --> 00:42:33,950
like they were saying oh crap she's

906
00:42:43,330 --> 00:42:40,430
awake yeah it was crazy so I'm in I had

907
00:42:45,220 --> 00:42:43,340
just flung up in my bathroom door there

908
00:42:47,140 --> 00:42:45,230
were two more in there I didn't know one

909
00:42:49,810 --> 00:42:47,150
was behind the door so when I flung it

910
00:42:51,130 --> 00:42:49,820
open I hit the floor and there was

911
00:42:54,460 --> 00:42:51,140
another one that was reaching something

912
00:42:55,900 --> 00:42:54,470
for something behind on my toilet that

913
00:42:59,170 --> 00:42:55,910
one had clothes on I

914
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,180
I picked the little sucker up and I took

915
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:01,280
him with every word I'm like repeating

916
00:43:06,730 --> 00:43:03,730
who are you what are you doing here and

917
00:43:09,220 --> 00:43:06,740
the one on the floor had put his arms up

918
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:09,230
saying I'm your nephew I'm your nephew

919
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:11,930
and I look down and I'm not kidding you

920
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:15,920
i watch this thing shape-shift into my

921
00:43:21,790 --> 00:43:18,770
nephew and a baby blue suit and I like

922
00:43:24,340 --> 00:43:21,800
my nephew was almost the same age as I

923
00:43:26,620 --> 00:43:24,350
was and I'm like you're not my nephew

924
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:26,630
you look like him he was 10 he's 20 now

925
00:43:33,060 --> 00:43:28,490
you know I'm like what's going on in

926
00:43:36,490 --> 00:43:33,070
here you know it was it was crazy and so

927
00:43:38,260 --> 00:43:36,500
too because it's it's so crazy so I turn

928
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:38,270
around there's the rest of the beings

929
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,690
are at the bathroom door when I go to

930
00:43:45,370 --> 00:43:43,520
turn around and trying to calm this

931
00:43:46,270 --> 00:43:45,380
other one down and I offered it a cookie

932
00:43:51,790 --> 00:43:46,280
it's crazy

933
00:43:55,420 --> 00:43:51,800
it's just so much like it was just crazy

934
00:43:59,800 --> 00:43:55,430
but like the next day it's like nothing

935
00:44:04,000 --> 00:43:59,810
happened but my place was overrun with

936
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:04,010
shadow people and I'm like holy crap I

937
00:44:09,340 --> 00:44:05,930
just got rid of some little grey little

938
00:44:11,950 --> 00:44:09,350
monsters and all these head and

939
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:11,960
shoulders shadows are just lurking all

940
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:14,570
over my place it was crazy I'm like what

941
00:44:22,090 --> 00:44:18,710
is going on here now I lived alone but I

942
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,100
soon got a roommate and I moved across

943
00:44:27,940 --> 00:44:24,400
the hall to a larger apartment 2-bedroom

944
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:27,950
apartment and this roommate was

945
00:44:33,460 --> 00:44:31,730
Pentecostal but an artist yeah artists

946
00:44:35,590 --> 00:44:33,470
like myself though she's a cartoonist

947
00:44:37,540 --> 00:44:35,600
was just so rare and I'm like how the

948
00:44:40,030 --> 00:44:37,550
cartoon is - oh this would be great you

949
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:40,040
know and I told her but hold on I've had

950
00:44:44,020 --> 00:44:41,930
some weird stuff going on in my place

951
00:44:49,930 --> 00:44:44,030
and she's like and she's like the no

952
00:44:51,820 --> 00:44:49,940
hair cutting ones you know so it's just

953
00:44:53,590 --> 00:44:51,830
like oh your demons won't bother me you

954
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:53,600
know I've got on my side I'm like demons

955
00:44:58,060 --> 00:44:55,970
like okay you know I I didn't know what

956
00:45:01,600 --> 00:44:58,070
to think was you know that so she moved

957
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:01,610
on in anyways and the only time I it was

958
00:45:05,860 --> 00:45:03,110
surprising to me she and experience

959
00:45:09,610 --> 00:45:05,870
things Oh on side of me she was able to

960
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:09,620
see things I did I would see the

961
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:13,010
outlines of alien beings even sometimes

962
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:15,890
but I couldn't see the details she was

963
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:17,450
an artist who had won the presidential

964
00:45:20,860 --> 00:45:19,040
awards like four times had a full

965
00:45:27,780 --> 00:45:20,870
tuition scholarship and works for Disney

966
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,520
rosin sketching I'm like crazy I'm like

967
00:45:34,750 --> 00:45:32,240
oh wow she could see it better than me

968
00:45:37,150 --> 00:45:34,760
and and so we're experiencing these

969
00:45:39,610 --> 00:45:37,160
things but she would not call him alien

970
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:39,620
because she felt like if she saw a UFO

971
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:41,330
for some reason then she'd know it was

972
00:45:44,860 --> 00:45:42,650
alien otherwise they were all

973
00:45:47,380 --> 00:45:44,870
categorized as demons I'm like okay and

974
00:45:51,130 --> 00:45:47,390
she would not talk about it not unless

975
00:45:53,590 --> 00:45:51,140
she was making fun of it no um a little

976
00:45:59,410 --> 00:45:53,600
bit prior to when she became my roommate

977
00:46:00,370 --> 00:45:59,420
I had seen some pretty major UFOs and my

978
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:00,380
life is crazy

979
00:46:06,759 --> 00:46:03,920
so I joined this paranormal a UFO group

980
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:06,769
and I was like you know just a vent you

981
00:46:11,170 --> 00:46:09,170
know like oh my god I saw UFO that was

982
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:11,180
just like the size of the one in

983
00:46:15,999 --> 00:46:12,890
Independence Day it took up the whole

984
00:46:19,359 --> 00:46:16,009
sky so you MA I guess downtown Milwaukee

985
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:19,369
and so I joined this group and everybody

986
00:46:22,930 --> 00:46:21,410
that was in the group we're all alien

987
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:22,940
abductees except for me

988
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:25,970
and I'm like and it was soon after I had

989
00:46:31,259 --> 00:46:27,650
joined that group is when those greys

990
00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:31,269
came to my apartment so I assumed they

991
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:33,710
would check me out cuz I was going to

992
00:46:38,049 --> 00:46:35,839
those meetings I didn't know um but the

993
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:38,059
shadow people part didn't make any sense

994
00:46:44,829 --> 00:46:42,049
so anyways see that my roommates name

995
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:44,839
was Samantha she did not talk about want

996
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:46,250
to talk about any of that stuff and she

997
00:46:50,589 --> 00:46:48,319
thought I was nuts to be going to such a

998
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:50,599
meeting and she thought all my friends

999
00:46:56,620 --> 00:46:53,210
that were there were wax and I'll just

1000
00:46:59,079 --> 00:46:56,630
so so much so you couldn't talk about

1001
00:47:00,160 --> 00:46:59,089
the topic of aliens or anything unless

1002
00:47:05,230 --> 00:47:00,170
she was making fun of it

1003
00:47:06,999 --> 00:47:05,240
so one day she is driving to the Art

1004
00:47:11,980 --> 00:47:07,009
Institute where she went to college in

1005
00:47:13,289 --> 00:47:11,990
Milwaukee and she called me an absolute

1006
00:47:15,849 --> 00:47:13,299
hysterics

1007
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:15,859
sobbing and carrying on and I'm like

1008
00:47:21,339 --> 00:47:18,079
what wait calm down what's going on

1009
00:47:23,740 --> 00:47:21,349
she's like Heidi Heidi an alien jumped

1010
00:47:28,109 --> 00:47:23,750
on the hood of my car and shoved its

1011
00:47:31,749 --> 00:47:28,119
head through my windshield and I like

1012
00:47:34,930 --> 00:47:31,759
what in this he goes and it's in my

1013
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:34,940
classroom like oh my gosh and she's

1014
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:37,130
carrying on she's had obviously having a

1015
00:47:42,910 --> 00:47:39,650
hard time and I didn't know what to

1016
00:47:44,829 --> 00:47:42,920
think of it now later on that evening we

1017
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,839
go to talk about what took place we

1018
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:46,880
drove to Lake Michigan and we're sitting

1019
00:47:55,539 --> 00:47:54,370
literally like a couple minutes into the

1020
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,549
conversation and what she had

1021
00:48:00,190 --> 00:47:57,680
experienced she's like I feel I need to

1022
00:48:02,620 --> 00:48:00,200
meditate I'm like meditate like I didn't

1023
00:48:04,749 --> 00:48:02,630
know she meditated and I've now learned

1024
00:48:06,609 --> 00:48:04,759
that that's more that's kind of a state

1025
00:48:08,890 --> 00:48:06,619
that Pentecostals kind of go into I

1026
00:48:12,430 --> 00:48:08,900
guess for prayer I didn't know I wasn't

1027
00:48:14,340 --> 00:48:12,440
familiar with it and I was like okay you

1028
00:48:16,380 --> 00:48:14,350
want to get out of the car

1029
00:48:18,990 --> 00:48:16,390
no she was Puerto Rican she had a very

1030
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:19,000
thick accent and even a kind of a speech

1031
00:48:24,780 --> 00:48:23,200
impediment of a sort and almost

1032
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:24,790
immediately she closed her eyes that she

1033
00:48:29,850 --> 00:48:27,280
comes with this pretty clear voice that

1034
00:48:34,070 --> 00:48:29,860
goes hello I've been waiting to speak to

1035
00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:34,080
you for a very long time and I'm like

1036
00:48:43,260 --> 00:48:39,310
Samantha you know I'm like and it's Oh

1037
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:43,270
and I'm like okay you know it was like

1038
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:45,730
it's you know so many things with my

1039
00:48:50,750 --> 00:48:48,400
head like is she pulling the biggest

1040
00:48:54,780 --> 00:48:50,760
joke off in her life I'm like you know

1041
00:48:57,660 --> 00:48:54,790
her tears and how she carried on and so

1042
00:49:02,100 --> 00:48:57,670
this being essentially introduced itself

1043
00:49:06,330 --> 00:49:02,110
by spelling out its name CAF th and I

1044
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:06,340
was like CAF and it said ooh I hate the

1045
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:08,710
way your human mouths for my name I'm

1046
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:12,160
like well you know what is this you know

1047
00:49:16,260 --> 00:49:14,110
it was it was just a strangest thing and

1048
00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:16,270
now haven't belonged to that UFO

1049
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:19,270
discussion group I had seen people who

1050
00:49:25,590 --> 00:49:22,800
got hypnotically regressed and who had

1051
00:49:28,260 --> 00:49:25,600
instead of just you know recanting their

1052
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:28,270
story like one of the beings kind of

1053
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:30,490
speaking to them so I had seen that

1054
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:34,000
before and I'm like why this why this

1055
00:49:38,820 --> 00:49:37,330
now you know I and why her but I I was

1056
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:38,830
patient enough of course trying to

1057
00:49:44,130 --> 00:49:41,440
figure it out soon

1058
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:44,140
into the conversation I'm like okay okay

1059
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:46,510
this is really going on there's a being

1060
00:49:51,870 --> 00:49:48,930
talking through my Pentecostal friend

1061
00:49:53,550 --> 00:49:51,880
and like see if it could show itself

1062
00:49:55,290 --> 00:49:53,560
this is an alien and I'm like so where

1063
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:55,300
are you and it's like gonna ship up high

1064
00:49:59,940 --> 00:49:56,650
and I'm like well can you bring your

1065
00:50:02,400 --> 00:49:59,950
ship lower and and I said they cannot do

1066
00:50:05,250 --> 00:50:02,410
that now because our our government knew

1067
00:50:07,410 --> 00:50:05,260
how to shoot them down and I'm like okay

1068
00:50:09,330 --> 00:50:07,420
and he's like oh but I you know

1069
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:09,340
sometimes can project an image of myself

1070
00:50:14,340 --> 00:50:11,890
if I'm close enough I'm like alright you

1071
00:50:19,590 --> 00:50:14,350
know let's let's see what this is gonna

1072
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:19,600
be about here and I mean my goodness you

1073
00:50:26,730 --> 00:50:21,910
could have counted to three and the car

1074
00:50:27,540 --> 00:50:26,740
started humming and this image showed up

1075
00:50:32,180 --> 00:50:27,550
between

1076
00:50:35,010 --> 00:50:32,190
two of us of this fleshy pinkish colored

1077
00:50:36,930 --> 00:50:35,020
creature and it was really out of focus

1078
00:50:38,340 --> 00:50:36,940
and I I was like okay okay I see

1079
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:38,350
something I see something I'm like

1080
00:50:42,570 --> 00:50:40,390
trying to back myself nearly out of the

1081
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:42,580
car and I'm like but it's not really

1082
00:50:47,940 --> 00:50:46,000
clear and it the voice came through my

1083
00:50:50,340 --> 00:50:47,950
friend saying well that cannot be helped

1084
00:50:54,030 --> 00:50:50,350
because you have weak human eyes I'm

1085
00:50:57,450 --> 00:50:54,040
like oh another slam on humans you know

1086
00:51:01,940 --> 00:50:57,460
this was crazy but uh to make a long

1087
00:51:04,380 --> 00:51:01,950
story short my friend pops back she is

1088
00:51:07,530 --> 00:51:04,390
you know like you know I kind of in a

1089
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:07,540
panic like what was that what was you

1090
00:51:11,820 --> 00:51:09,490
know she was just didn't even know what

1091
00:51:13,830 --> 00:51:11,830
to think of it she did not like reading

1092
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:13,840
English very much he started like four

1093
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:16,510
of my alien books she wanted to talk to

1094
00:51:20,970 --> 00:51:18,610
everybody at the UFO meetings you know

1095
00:51:24,420 --> 00:51:20,980
she got on the phone right away I was

1096
00:51:30,210 --> 00:51:24,430
like this is this is wild so now this

1097
00:51:33,180 --> 00:51:30,220
being kept us we were like okay let's

1098
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:33,190
see if we can tap back into talking to

1099
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:35,290
him you know cuz he said I'm here to

1100
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:37,210
talk to you again they were like oh yeah

1101
00:51:46,170 --> 00:51:42,010
did it sound like a male voice for some

1102
00:51:49,410 --> 00:51:46,180
reason the presence felt male and yeah

1103
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:49,420
so it wasn't it was it was her voice

1104
00:51:56,820 --> 00:51:53,250
still but it just knew that it wasn't a

1105
00:51:59,370 --> 00:51:56,830
feminine of female the manner of

1106
00:52:01,260 --> 00:51:59,380
speaking was it completely different

1107
00:52:05,010 --> 00:52:01,270
like crazy ology than she would have

1108
00:52:08,460 --> 00:52:05,020
used and oh gosh yes I mean even some of

1109
00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:08,470
the words that she used and I mean she

1110
00:52:12,690 --> 00:52:10,380
was you know an ESL student

1111
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:12,700
english-as-a-second-language words that

1112
00:52:20,420 --> 00:52:17,680
I was like no she wasn't aware of yeah

1113
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:20,430
and I was like hold on and perfect

1114
00:52:25,950 --> 00:52:23,200
sentences and it was really interesting

1115
00:52:30,180 --> 00:52:25,960
really fascinating stuff and I'm like oh

1116
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:30,190
my gosh this is really going on so yeah

1117
00:52:34,380 --> 00:52:31,450
it you know when he made himself

1118
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:34,390
available it wasn't like he just viewed

1119
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:36,130
all the answers to the universe you know

1120
00:52:41,130 --> 00:52:38,290
where it's just like like looking at a

1121
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,140
blank slate and I'm like

1122
00:52:45,539 --> 00:52:43,359
do we have K you know it's like are you

1123
00:52:48,329 --> 00:52:45,549
on the line he's like yes I'm here I'm

1124
00:52:49,620 --> 00:52:48,339
like so what can you tell us about the

1125
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:49,630
Big Bang Theory you know we didn't know

1126
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:52,210
what to ask no she would write down her

1127
00:52:57,930 --> 00:52:54,730
questions so to ask through her and

1128
00:53:00,000 --> 00:52:57,940
sometimes she would just pop in and give

1129
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,010
an interpretation of what she'd see cuz

1130
00:53:05,009 --> 00:53:02,559
she felt when she was doing this

1131
00:53:07,470 --> 00:53:05,019
connection that she was like out of her

1132
00:53:12,299 --> 00:53:07,480
body floating on his ship watching him

1133
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:12,309
talk like to her control room and she

1134
00:53:16,890 --> 00:53:14,049
didn't like to call it channeling she

1135
00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:16,900
said i meditate he meets me halfway she

1136
00:53:21,690 --> 00:53:20,529
said I go into prayer and he's there she

1137
00:53:25,309 --> 00:53:21,700
said it's like some kind of technology

1138
00:53:29,819 --> 00:53:25,319
he's using and I'm like oh okay is this

1139
00:53:31,650 --> 00:53:29,829
interesting but yeah and so I we were

1140
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:31,660
trying to learn how to ask the right

1141
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:34,329
questions because he kept giving us

1142
00:53:38,819 --> 00:53:36,490
these these blocked responses like it

1143
00:53:40,170 --> 00:53:38,829
would not benefit you to know that it

1144
00:53:42,539 --> 00:53:40,180
would not benefit you to know that I was

1145
00:53:45,690 --> 00:53:42,549
like oh gosh you know what can we ask

1146
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:45,700
and so I started off asking about a

1147
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:49,410
weird dream that Samantha had and then

1148
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:53,890
he started in and shocked me you know

1149
00:53:59,279 --> 00:53:56,250
after a few sessions of nothing and

1150
00:54:01,950 --> 00:53:59,289
Samantha had this weird dream kind of a

1151
00:54:04,380 --> 00:54:01,960
cataclysmic event everything was

1152
00:54:08,609 --> 00:54:04,390
destroyed in Milwaukee and there is this

1153
00:54:10,980 --> 00:54:08,619
this red mud everywhere she saw these

1154
00:54:14,130 --> 00:54:10,990
two men and white suits that spotted her

1155
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:14,140
and came to chase her down and pin her

1156
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,569
down and she said the air is so thick it

1157
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:18,880
was hard to breathe and and she said

1158
00:54:27,150 --> 00:54:23,250
then it was just a strangest thing so

1159
00:54:28,589 --> 00:54:27,160
this is odd so she had come I can't I

1160
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:28,599
can't quite remember the order of how

1161
00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:32,559
she she asked me a weird question about

1162
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:35,470
some new boots that she had and the

1163
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:38,319
boots had red mud on them and she goes

1164
00:54:42,569 --> 00:54:40,450
Heidi did you use my boots I'm like use

1165
00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:42,579
your boots and like I'm two sizes bigger

1166
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:43,990
than you how can they use your boots

1167
00:54:48,509 --> 00:54:45,130
these are brand new boots that she's

1168
00:54:51,569 --> 00:54:48,519
never worn and that's what she connected

1169
00:54:54,329 --> 00:54:51,579
oh my gosh in my dream I was wearing

1170
00:54:54,660 --> 00:54:54,339
those boots this is the red mud from

1171
00:55:01,920 --> 00:54:54,670
that

1172
00:55:03,690 --> 00:55:01,930
and he goes he said those are one of the

1173
00:55:04,980 --> 00:55:03,700
many events that could happen in one of

1174
00:55:06,750 --> 00:55:04,990
the many ways that there could be

1175
00:55:10,020 --> 00:55:06,760
destroyed and we wanted to show her that

1176
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:10,030
and I'm like oh you know and then I

1177
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:11,890
shared a dream that I had of the moon

1178
00:55:16,110 --> 00:55:14,650
being moved across the sky and how it

1179
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:16,120
felt like the Earth's protective bubble

1180
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:21,760
had burst and he's he told me well we

1181
00:55:28,770 --> 00:55:25,680
were moving removing the moon so that

1182
00:55:31,110 --> 00:55:28,780
the shadows you call them shadow people

1183
00:55:33,570 --> 00:55:31,120
would not be able to destroy the earth

1184
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:33,580
there's something and I'm like hold on

1185
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:36,880
you know it was like all of a sudden his

1186
00:55:43,020 --> 00:55:40,570
whole reason for being to come to us was

1187
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:43,030
to give information in regards to the

1188
00:55:49,740 --> 00:55:46,450
shadow people and that began the journey

1189
00:55:52,860 --> 00:55:49,750
to answers because we were both riddled

1190
00:55:55,260 --> 00:55:52,870
with so many encounters of these things

1191
00:55:57,410 --> 00:55:55,270
along with these aliens see through

1192
00:56:00,990 --> 00:55:57,420
alien beings kind of hanging around and

1193
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:01,000
I mean literally balls of light would

1194
00:56:06,510 --> 00:56:04,090
attack these shadowy masses and it was

1195
00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:06,520
like a star wars going on in our

1196
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:09,550
apartment and it was just the craziest

1197
00:56:14,790 --> 00:56:11,920
thing we didn't know what to expect now

1198
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:14,800
how did she you know sort of reconcile

1199
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:20,110
all this with her Pentecostal beliefs um

1200
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:23,050
you know she really struggled she really

1201
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:25,690
did struggle but when it came to her the

1202
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:28,210
way that it did it seemed like she just

1203
00:56:34,110 --> 00:56:30,970
threw hold off to the side like this is

1204
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:34,120
real this thing is talking to me I am

1205
00:56:39,090 --> 00:56:36,970
seeing this I'm you know even being able

1206
00:56:41,580 --> 00:56:39,100
to see these things in the apartment and

1207
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:41,590
sketching it out that that was just

1208
00:56:47,610 --> 00:56:43,570
demons to her so she that didn't

1209
00:56:50,130 --> 00:56:47,620
translate to be I don't know like a big

1210
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:50,140
jump a big leap but when the alien came

1211
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:52,450
through her windshield and it was it

1212
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:53,890
wasn't cast that came through her

1213
00:56:57,450 --> 00:56:54,490
windshield

1214
00:56:59,400 --> 00:56:57,460
it was another type of being and said he

1215
00:57:04,680 --> 00:56:59,410
was the introducer for who was to come

1216
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:04,690
which was care yeah and yeah so it was

1217
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:07,810
it was just wild and CAF became like

1218
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:08,650
almost this

1219
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:12,240
friendly cartoon character of sorts that

1220
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:15,310
just so like riddles being given to us

1221
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:17,170
of you know don't you remember what

1222
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:19,690
you're here don't you know this and and

1223
00:57:25,350 --> 00:57:21,730
told us we didn't pray enough I'm like

1224
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:25,360
what and spoke of God and Jesus is who

1225
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:27,910
he said he was and I mean Wow

1226
00:57:33,420 --> 00:57:30,910
just mind-blowing stuff and we weren't

1227
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:33,430
allowed to record him we weren't allowed

1228
00:57:37,980 --> 00:57:36,970
to do any of that and I'm like well how

1229
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:37,990
are we supposed to keep this all

1230
00:57:43,170 --> 00:57:41,290
together and he and he turned her head

1231
00:57:46,740 --> 00:57:43,180
and it smiled and said your book will

1232
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:46,750
turn out nicely I'm like look I'm a

1233
00:57:51,450 --> 00:57:48,310
college student have enough to write

1234
00:57:54,060 --> 00:57:51,460
there's no way I am writing anything you

1235
00:57:56,370 --> 00:57:54,070
know I I did not like writing I was a

1236
00:57:59,100 --> 00:57:56,380
cartoonist too at the time but also

1237
00:58:04,050 --> 00:57:59,110
getting a medical degree you know so it

1238
00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:04,060
was not easy I was busy and yeah when

1239
00:58:12,060 --> 00:58:06,310
you when you were sitting there and she

1240
00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:12,070
first started speaking or the or cat was

1241
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:15,180
speaking through through your friend and

1242
00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:18,160
you know just sort of out of the blue it

1243
00:58:22,350 --> 00:58:19,800
started happening and I know you're

1244
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:22,360
you're you were already used to a lot of

1245
00:58:26,250 --> 00:58:24,490
sort of paranormal type activity and

1246
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:26,260
stuff so maybe your mind didn't go there

1247
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:28,960
but you know when she first did it did

1248
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:31,570
you think oh she's lost it or she's got

1249
00:58:37,890 --> 00:58:33,970
you know it's like a multiple

1250
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:37,900
personality disorder someone in the in

1251
00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:39,370
the chat room mentioned that as well

1252
00:58:43,950 --> 00:58:41,710
it's like had she ever been diagnosed

1253
00:58:45,390 --> 00:58:43,960
with MPD I said I think the answer is

1254
00:58:47,730 --> 00:58:45,400
probably going to be no but I'll ask

1255
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:47,740
yeah no but that's what I was saying

1256
00:58:51,870 --> 00:58:49,570
that you know I had witnessed something

1257
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:51,880
similar several times over having been

1258
00:58:58,410 --> 00:58:55,450
part of that UFO discussion group people

1259
00:59:00,600 --> 00:58:58,420
who it was rather common actually people

1260
00:59:03,690 --> 00:59:00,610
who are being regressed to remember a

1261
00:59:06,750 --> 00:59:03,700
UFO alien encounter and instead of

1262
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:06,760
recalling the details of the experience

1263
00:59:11,810 --> 00:59:09,250
like one of the beings would start

1264
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:11,820
speaking directly to the hypnotherapist

1265
00:59:17,070 --> 00:59:15,040
and so I had seen it I'd seen it myself

1266
00:59:20,670 --> 00:59:17,080
with with a couple of really good

1267
00:59:21,260 --> 00:59:20,680
friends actually so it's so wild so you

1268
00:59:23,570 --> 00:59:21,270
were kind of

1269
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:23,580
Baird for that well I wasn't prepared

1270
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:26,970
for it I was I mean this is my roommate

1271
00:59:32,420 --> 00:59:29,610
college room you know like come on now

1272
00:59:34,550 --> 00:59:32,430
you know this is her you know my friends

1273
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:34,560
I'm used to them picking on me for this

1274
00:59:41,780 --> 00:59:38,370
stuff not diving in and and doing this

1275
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:41,790
and and just her reaction her just it

1276
00:59:45,830 --> 00:59:44,010
was so pure and so like you know

1277
00:59:49,340 --> 00:59:45,840
shocking it and I'll tell you this she's

1278
00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:49,350
never spoken about her experiences on a

1279
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:52,440
public level she is she's drought she

1280
00:59:56,780 --> 00:59:54,570
dropped all that she's she's all about

1281
00:59:58,730 --> 00:59:56,790
her career she's like okay I have to end

1282
01:00:01,340 --> 00:59:58,740
this now I think I I think I've talked

1283
01:00:03,110 --> 01:00:01,350
to him enough and I got the message to

1284
01:00:04,790 --> 01:00:03,120
you and what you needed you know and she

1285
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:04,800
was just ran from as fast as she could

1286
01:00:10,940 --> 01:00:07,920
so uh yeah it wasn't anything to glorify

1287
01:00:13,570 --> 01:00:10,950
anything she was not ashamed she knew

1288
01:00:18,020 --> 01:00:13,580
what was going that it was true and real

1289
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:18,030
she just I just couldn't filter it into

1290
01:00:23,330 --> 01:00:20,250
her life in that sense she really felt

1291
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:23,340
like yeah it was done and okay I'm out

1292
01:00:29,890 --> 01:00:25,920
you know it's the type of thing so yeah

1293
01:00:34,550 --> 01:00:29,900
how long of a period did that go on oh

1294
01:00:36,530 --> 01:00:34,560
gosh uh how long did we talk to him you

1295
01:00:39,530 --> 01:00:36,540
know I've never I don't recall I think

1296
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:39,540
it had to be close to a year or more it

1297
01:00:43,610 --> 01:00:41,970
was more than a year but you know the

1298
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:43,620
times that we got to chat with him

1299
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:46,530
became less and less because it drained

1300
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:51,090
her I was really draining and she got to

1301
01:00:55,130 --> 01:00:53,040
be very much like a chief and it was

1302
01:00:57,740 --> 01:00:55,140
getting close to finished college you

1303
01:00:59,540 --> 01:00:57,750
know she's a pretty popular artist and

1304
01:01:06,590 --> 01:00:59,550
she's like I can't be known for doing

1305
01:01:09,050 --> 01:01:06,600
this you know so yeah Samantha's not her

1306
01:01:11,810 --> 01:01:09,060
real name just say no and did you figure

1307
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:11,820
you know how she said she said you know

1308
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:14,850
I feel like we've gotten the message you

1309
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:16,650
know did you feel that way - did you

1310
01:01:20,900 --> 01:01:19,200
feel like okay we got we were supposed

1311
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:20,910
to get now time to move on to the next

1312
01:01:30,410 --> 01:01:27,570
thing or no no it was not it wasn't just

1313
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:30,420
me that wanted more I'll tell you a lot

1314
01:01:33,849 --> 01:01:32,370
of people asked me like oh how SCAF and

1315
01:01:40,509 --> 01:01:33,859
don't you talk to them and I'm like

1316
01:01:42,579 --> 01:01:40,519
I do not so okay so I this is what

1317
01:01:45,339 --> 01:01:42,589
happened and how things like I really

1318
01:01:47,049 --> 01:01:45,349
knew she was done talking with him and

1319
01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:47,059
having anything to do with the topic I

1320
01:01:57,249 --> 01:01:52,910
was sleeping and I heard crying like I

1321
01:02:00,009 --> 01:01:57,259
just get chills and I I it was like from

1322
01:02:02,529 --> 01:02:00,019
the heavens just like you just couldn't

1323
01:02:05,650 --> 01:02:02,539
imagine the pain and the anguish and I'm

1324
01:02:09,939 --> 01:02:05,660
like what is going on and it was so loud

1325
01:02:12,969 --> 01:02:09,949
and I got these strong images of people

1326
01:02:17,169 --> 01:02:12,979
in white robes and saying talk to her

1327
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:17,179
talk to her and oh I just get chills and

1328
01:02:22,689 --> 01:02:18,890
I haven't talked about this that much

1329
01:02:24,939 --> 01:02:22,699
and I like I ran downstairs and she was

1330
01:02:28,089 --> 01:02:24,949
asleep on the couch and I'm like whoa

1331
01:02:31,329 --> 01:02:28,099
whoa whoa I said what what is going on

1332
01:02:33,849 --> 01:02:31,339
I'm like I just I think there's angels

1333
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:33,859
crying upstairs I'm like I don't

1334
01:02:40,509 --> 01:02:37,130
understand and and she literally just

1335
01:02:43,900 --> 01:02:40,519
you know casually rolled over looked at

1336
01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:43,910
me and she said I know yes said you know

1337
01:02:49,779 --> 01:02:47,569
I'm like what and she said well these

1338
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:49,789
angelic licking beings with the robes

1339
01:02:54,339 --> 01:02:52,130
came and and said we really need to talk

1340
01:02:56,439 --> 01:02:54,349
to you we have so much more to tell you

1341
01:02:58,479 --> 01:02:56,449
and and I told them I'm done I don't

1342
01:03:01,059 --> 01:02:58,489
care to have any more conversations with

1343
01:03:03,039 --> 01:03:01,069
them and and to be over okay keep your

1344
01:03:06,910 --> 01:03:03,049
eyes closed okay I want to show you my

1345
01:03:07,299 --> 01:03:06,920
first-ever painting all right okay open

1346
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:07,309
your eyes

1347
01:03:15,489 --> 01:03:12,319
oh that's a lot of colors and shades so

1348
01:03:17,769 --> 01:03:15,499
be honest what do you think well I like

1349
01:03:18,939 --> 01:03:17,779
how if you switch to Geico you could

1350
01:03:19,419 --> 01:03:18,949
save hundreds of dollars on car

1351
01:03:22,689 --> 01:03:19,429
insurance

1352
01:03:24,969 --> 01:03:22,699
oh yeah that's that's true yeah here why

1353
01:03:25,539 --> 01:03:24,979
don't I hold your paintbrush while you

1354
01:03:28,059 --> 01:03:25,549
call them

1355
01:03:31,449 --> 01:03:28,069
Geico because saving 15% or more on car

1356
01:03:33,309 --> 01:03:31,459
insurance is always a great answer and I

1357
01:03:38,259 --> 01:03:33,319
wrote back dough or I went to sleep I

1358
01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:38,269
said you're kidding me yeah it wasn't it

1359
01:03:43,539 --> 01:03:40,880
wasn't CAF that came but it wasn't only

1360
01:03:44,890 --> 01:03:43,549
cat that would pop in every once in a

1361
01:03:47,889 --> 01:03:44,900
while I mean she would get some

1362
01:03:51,669 --> 01:03:47,899
interesting messages from

1363
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:51,679
a far and and she had a an angel

1364
01:03:55,569 --> 01:03:53,599
encounter in a restaurant that would

1365
01:03:57,849 --> 01:03:55,579
have knocked your socks off

1366
01:04:00,429 --> 01:03:57,859
just just unbelievable she was such a

1367
01:04:03,309 --> 01:04:00,439
portal for such magnificent information

1368
01:04:06,189 --> 01:04:03,319
and she could not balance it with her

1369
01:04:11,739 --> 01:04:06,199
living this life it was us it was a sad

1370
01:04:14,979 --> 01:04:11,749
situation well that that's that's wild

1371
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:14,989
do you never hear from her today not at

1372
01:04:23,709 --> 01:04:19,569
all you know how long ago is that been

1373
01:04:25,899 --> 01:04:23,719
hmm gosh it's probably been that I've

1374
01:04:26,319 --> 01:04:25,909
left last spoke to her probably like 10

1375
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:26,329
years

1376
01:04:36,099 --> 01:04:33,890
oh wow wow yeah yeah so cap never tried

1377
01:04:39,399 --> 01:04:36,109
to come to you through anyone else or

1378
01:04:42,339 --> 01:04:39,409
through any other means or um you know

1379
01:04:44,589 --> 01:04:42,349
people claim different things and I I

1380
01:04:49,389 --> 01:04:44,599
don't know how to verify that I've had a

1381
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:49,399
couple of they're kind of like a serial

1382
01:04:55,299 --> 01:04:52,130
like dreams of of him just smiling and

1383
01:04:59,559 --> 01:04:55,309
waving I'm like okay you know but no

1384
01:05:01,629 --> 01:04:59,569
nothing nothing of that sort and but

1385
01:05:03,370 --> 01:05:01,639
it's it's fascinating to me because when

1386
01:05:05,769 --> 01:05:03,380
a message needs to get across it gets

1387
01:05:08,349 --> 01:05:05,779
across and for me it'll be like right in

1388
01:05:11,049 --> 01:05:08,359
my face like boom hey Heidi guess what

1389
01:05:13,899 --> 01:05:11,059
we need to tell you oh my oh you know or

1390
01:05:17,589 --> 01:05:13,909
or to unsuspecting friends and family

1391
01:05:19,539 --> 01:05:17,599
who just get a crazy dream or a crazy

1392
01:05:22,089 --> 01:05:19,549
situation and they just have to blurt it

1393
01:05:25,299 --> 01:05:22,099
out to me and I'm like thank you I guess

1394
01:05:28,179 --> 01:05:25,309
I must have been closed that day so it's

1395
01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:28,189
you know messages come when they need to

1396
01:05:33,699 --> 01:05:30,649
and I don't always get it I don't always

1397
01:05:36,429 --> 01:05:33,709
understand what what needs to be done

1398
01:05:38,379 --> 01:05:36,439
but I do know that there's a lot more to

1399
01:05:40,409 --> 01:05:38,389
be done because there's literally what I

1400
01:05:43,389 --> 01:05:40,419
called my first book the secret war

1401
01:05:44,919 --> 01:05:43,399
here's a secret battle going on and

1402
01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:44,929
people need to be aware of it because

1403
01:05:51,269 --> 01:05:48,529
it's not just a possibility it's a

1404
01:05:56,379 --> 01:05:51,279
threat to come their way

1405
01:06:01,000 --> 01:05:56,389
well what can people do well they know

1406
01:06:02,859 --> 01:06:01,010
about it that's a another project

1407
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:02,869
another book that I'll be having out

1408
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:05,450
sooner than later I've had so many odd

1409
01:06:11,380 --> 01:06:07,609
things that have just stopped the

1410
01:06:13,660 --> 01:06:11,390
progress of this book to come out you

1411
01:06:15,730 --> 01:06:13,670
know so many for so many years I've been

1412
01:06:18,340 --> 01:06:15,740
blah blah blah protect yourself blah

1413
01:06:20,349 --> 01:06:18,350
blah blah say prayers and get the demon

1414
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:20,359
out of your place and how to do it and I

1415
01:06:23,349 --> 01:06:21,920
keep getting these emails at people like

1416
01:06:25,180 --> 01:06:23,359
well I don't know any of that religious

1417
01:06:27,550 --> 01:06:25,190
stuff but anyways I've got a demon

1418
01:06:30,970 --> 01:06:27,560
looking at me what do I do I'm like if a

1419
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:30,980
demons looking at you it that is proof

1420
01:06:35,410 --> 01:06:33,050
enough that there is there are other

1421
01:06:37,450 --> 01:06:35,420
forces out there and you better hope

1422
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:37,460
that there's an opposing force to take

1423
01:06:41,530 --> 01:06:39,650
on the dark force you're looking at you

1424
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:41,540
know and it it seems like a no-brainer

1425
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:44,450
how to get your faith into something

1426
01:06:52,420 --> 01:06:48,050
else but these people are stuck at these

1427
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:52,430
walls of disbelief I guess because the

1428
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:54,410
priest did a lot of horrible things to

1429
01:06:58,930 --> 01:06:56,570
people why would I believe in that you

1430
01:07:00,880 --> 01:06:58,940
know sitting in church crap and you know

1431
01:07:03,940 --> 01:07:00,890
I'm gonna sit here and hold a crystal

1432
01:07:06,099 --> 01:07:03,950
and you know okay you know and I I

1433
01:07:07,690 --> 01:07:06,109
jumped off the bandwagon of believing in

1434
01:07:09,730 --> 01:07:07,700
a whole bunch of that stuff too I I

1435
01:07:12,250 --> 01:07:09,740
thought Jesus was a historical figure

1436
01:07:14,260 --> 01:07:12,260
that did his dance upon the earth and

1437
01:07:16,180 --> 01:07:14,270
you know it was great you know you did a

1438
01:07:18,370 --> 01:07:16,190
lot of good stuff and I was I was kind

1439
01:07:20,740 --> 01:07:18,380
of like I'd seen so many things I

1440
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:20,750
honestly felt like if he were around I

1441
01:07:23,890 --> 01:07:22,160
think I would have seen him by now and I

1442
01:07:27,010 --> 01:07:23,900
put that in my first book I was so

1443
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:27,020
critical of such things and lo and

1444
01:07:33,700 --> 01:07:31,250
behold um he showed up help me change

1445
01:07:36,790 --> 01:07:33,710
some things but it's a it's a crazy

1446
01:07:40,599 --> 01:07:36,800
world like when I when I look at it on

1447
01:07:42,370 --> 01:07:40,609
paper like okay person who saw this this

1448
01:07:44,109 --> 01:07:42,380
and that how does that make sense how

1449
01:07:46,330 --> 01:07:44,119
does it pull in together but you know it

1450
01:07:48,340 --> 01:07:46,340
makes perfect sense if you're on the

1451
01:07:51,010 --> 01:07:48,350
receiving end but I'm like how can I get

1452
01:07:53,950 --> 01:07:51,020
that out of myself to express to other

1453
01:07:55,450 --> 01:07:53,960
people the right way and to get them to

1454
01:07:57,730 --> 01:07:55,460
the level of understanding they've

1455
01:08:00,820 --> 01:07:57,740
they've got to have this balance between

1456
01:08:03,970 --> 01:08:00,830
all of this what seems like maddening

1457
01:08:06,820 --> 01:08:03,980
situations and you know all I could do

1458
01:08:07,690 --> 01:08:06,830
is be my silly self keep my sense of

1459
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:07,700
humor about myself

1460
01:08:10,930 --> 01:08:09,050
I'm a cartoonist for crying out loud

1461
01:08:13,390 --> 01:08:10,940
yeah I'm a therapist as well but

1462
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:13,400
cartooning was my life I

1463
01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:16,250
I mean it's just the soul of me and I'm

1464
01:08:20,980 --> 01:08:18,560
like if I can admit and I'm just a

1465
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:20,990
flawed human being as well who has

1466
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:22,640
experienced a lot of weird stuff who

1467
01:08:29,250 --> 01:08:25,250
hopes to be able to you know interpret

1468
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:29,260
it great but you know when it comes to

1469
01:08:35,220 --> 01:08:32,090
having evil coming around the way that

1470
01:08:38,500 --> 01:08:35,230
it does we have to get our faith back

1471
01:08:40,030 --> 01:08:38,510
people just I tell people if you don't

1472
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:40,040
have your faith and you're looking into

1473
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:42,080
such darkness you might as well throw a

1474
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:44,690
shoe at it because there's nothing gonna

1475
01:08:49,270 --> 01:08:46,970
work you know you can have a priest come

1476
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:49,280
and sprinkle a bucket of holy water but

1477
01:08:55,450 --> 01:08:51,290
if you don't believe in it what's that

1478
01:08:58,450 --> 01:08:55,460
gonna do you know and it's like yeah I'm

1479
01:09:01,720 --> 01:08:58,460
I could consider myself to be Christian

1480
01:09:04,660 --> 01:09:01,730
I just am I have great friends that are

1481
01:09:08,260 --> 01:09:04,670
Muslim and that are Jewish and I found

1482
01:09:12,910 --> 01:09:08,270
out actually my mother may be Jewish but

1483
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:12,920
it's like life is what it is I mean you

1484
01:09:19,270 --> 01:09:16,130
you it's it's about believing in the one

1485
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:19,280
God to protect yourself against this

1486
01:09:24,700 --> 01:09:22,010
evil and so I have a book that I plan to

1487
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:24,710
come out soon called the other F word

1488
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:28,370
meaning for faith so people can learn

1489
01:09:32,110 --> 01:09:29,810
how to get their faith back you know

1490
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:32,120
forgive themselves for fumbling you

1491
01:09:35,020 --> 01:09:33,410
forgive themselves for messing up

1492
01:09:36,690 --> 01:09:35,030
because God knew what he was doing what

1493
01:09:39,940 --> 01:09:36,700
he made all of us that we're a bunch of

1494
01:09:41,500 --> 01:09:39,950
crazy people we're gonna go muck that

1495
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:41,510
are trying to figure this life out so to

1496
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:43,690
give ourselves a break on that

1497
01:09:49,090 --> 01:09:46,010
that sounds good I'm gonna be looking

1498
01:09:52,770 --> 01:09:49,100
forward to that book coming out and if

1499
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:52,780
you want to check out Holly's books and

1500
01:09:59,140 --> 01:09:55,730
Heidi's books and more information hi

1501
01:10:05,410 --> 01:09:59,150
Heidi Heidi hall as Holly hided I know I

1502
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:05,420
get it all the time now you know we

1503
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:07,730
we're down to the last 10 minutes the

1504
01:10:13,090 --> 01:10:09,770
show and haven't even really gotten into

1505
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:13,100
the hat man I know that's just crazy and

1506
01:10:16,990 --> 01:10:14,810
that's what he started out and that's

1507
01:10:19,980 --> 01:10:17,000
what I was going to talk about to begin

1508
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:19,990
with and that is your latest book so

1509
01:10:24,780 --> 01:10:23,690
what the heck it's the Hat man just in

1510
01:10:26,690 --> 01:10:24,790
case there are people out there

1511
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:26,700
experiencing it and then they don't

1512
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:29,490
have a way to draw any correlation to

1513
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:32,370
anything on it you know I when I first

1514
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:34,410
came out with the shadow people

1515
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:37,410
I had categorized the Hat man as being

1516
01:10:41,900 --> 01:10:39,210
another form shadow people take so I

1517
01:10:47,150 --> 01:10:41,910
called him the Hat man shadow and boy

1518
01:10:48,860 --> 01:10:47,160
was I mistaken the moment that I'll tell

1519
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:48,870
you quickly at the moment I put that

1520
01:10:55,390 --> 01:10:52,320
image up on my website my younger sister

1521
01:10:57,710 --> 01:10:55,400
came over to my place unannounced and

1522
01:11:00,140 --> 01:10:57,720
I'm like oh I'm so glad to see you I

1523
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:00,150
kind of show you in my new website

1524
01:11:04,820 --> 01:11:01,650
because I just put up all the images and

1525
01:11:06,260 --> 01:11:04,830
everything on my site it's just like hey

1526
01:11:08,090 --> 01:11:06,270
I need to talk to you I'm like oh yeah

1527
01:11:10,730 --> 01:11:08,100
yeah just talk to me I'm pulling up my

1528
01:11:12,860 --> 01:11:10,740
website now she goes Heidi I just don't

1529
01:11:16,700 --> 01:11:12,870
know and I pull up the hat man image and

1530
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:16,710
she screams oh that's him and I'm like

1531
01:11:23,780 --> 01:11:20,880
what and I just froze I'm like this guy

1532
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:23,790
I mean it's literally as I put him up on

1533
01:11:28,220 --> 01:11:25,440
my website when she'd seen him I just

1534
01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:28,230
put him up and see it experienced him

1535
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:32,460
and he is something that is very

1536
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:35,280
different very distinctive and how he

1537
01:11:43,130 --> 01:11:39,090
dresses he's he's this man who wears a

1538
01:11:46,910 --> 01:11:43,140
three-piece suit trench coat or cape he

1539
01:11:49,100 --> 01:11:46,920
wears a gaucho hat or a or a top hat

1540
01:11:52,460 --> 01:11:49,110
sometimes a cowboy hat isn't that crazy

1541
01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:52,470
but he changed his hat or no hat and if

1542
01:11:56,270 --> 01:11:54,450
you see his eyes if you see a skin it's

1543
01:11:57,230 --> 01:11:56,280
pale you might have a goatee might be

1544
01:11:59,540 --> 01:11:57,240
clean-shaven

1545
01:12:03,770 --> 01:11:59,550
he may have solid black eyes or red

1546
01:12:06,140 --> 01:12:03,780
glowing eyes and his sometimes a chain

1547
01:12:08,570 --> 01:12:06,150
watch is seen on his on his hip he could

1548
01:12:12,580 --> 01:12:08,580
be very very solid or he could look very

1549
01:12:15,470 --> 01:12:12,590
much like a shadow deep black shadow and

1550
01:12:17,690 --> 01:12:15,480
my sister had experienced him in that

1551
01:12:21,530 --> 01:12:17,700
form until he got into the backseat of

1552
01:12:24,370 --> 01:12:21,540
her car and he was very solid and he's

1553
01:12:28,370 --> 01:12:24,380
very responsive he is very in-your-face

1554
01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:28,380
he's very threatening and he's very

1555
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:29,310
abusive

1556
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:34,320
he beats bites rapes pummels anything

1557
01:12:39,770 --> 01:12:36,810
and everything threatens your soul grabs

1558
01:12:40,380 --> 01:12:39,780
your soul out of your body slams it

1559
01:12:44,430 --> 01:12:40,390
around the

1560
01:12:46,710 --> 01:12:44,440
a few times get sentir dreams it doesn't

1561
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:46,720
matter he has no limitations and he

1562
01:12:50,730 --> 01:12:48,130
loves to go after children

1563
01:12:53,220 --> 01:12:50,740
I've had people write me who are like I

1564
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:53,230
have been tortured by this man for 40

1565
01:12:59,730 --> 01:12:57,010
years he comes every night or he comes

1566
01:13:03,000 --> 01:12:59,740
once a week or he comes around certain

1567
01:13:06,330 --> 01:13:03,010
holidays it just never ends

1568
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:06,340
he's disgusting and he is absolutely the

1569
01:13:12,060 --> 01:13:09,250
opposite of anything light and he will

1570
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:12,070
sometimes brag and call himself scratch

1571
01:13:18,180 --> 01:13:15,040
which is the worst term for you know oat

1572
01:13:20,250 --> 01:13:18,190
scratch for the devil he's the evil of

1573
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:20,260
most evils and he commands the shadow

1574
01:13:25,770 --> 01:13:23,890
people he commands the old hag he

1575
01:13:29,670 --> 01:13:25,780
commands the Grim Reaper looking type of

1576
01:13:31,740 --> 01:13:29,680
beings he is he's horrible and you know

1577
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:31,750
I had a near-death experience author on

1578
01:13:35,550 --> 01:13:34,210
my show it when pointing and you know

1579
01:13:37,230 --> 01:13:35,560
everything's loving light you know and

1580
01:13:39,060 --> 01:13:37,240
everything to heaven I said yeah what

1581
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:39,070
about the other near-death experiences

1582
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:41,890
and it's like well that's interesting I

1583
01:13:48,090 --> 01:13:44,050
do get some of those and they see this

1584
01:13:51,450 --> 01:13:48,100
man and I'm like oh gosh here we go

1585
01:13:53,790 --> 01:13:51,460
you know so he is uh in those near-death

1586
01:13:58,860 --> 01:13:53,800
experiences I'm assuming those are the

1587
01:14:02,160 --> 01:13:58,870
sort of rare ones that are not fun yes

1588
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:02,170
the other side yeah most of the NDEs we

1589
01:14:07,140 --> 01:14:04,450
hear about are wonderful people talk

1590
01:14:10,650 --> 01:14:07,150
about experiencing this feeling of

1591
01:14:13,410 --> 01:14:10,660
unconditional love a beautiful light Sam

1592
01:14:16,010 --> 01:14:13,420
loved ones but then you have the other

1593
01:14:19,530 --> 01:14:16,020
the other stories that where people

1594
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:19,540
claim they've gone to hell and seeing

1595
01:14:26,850 --> 01:14:21,850
terrible beings and and so in some of

1596
01:14:30,810 --> 01:14:26,860
those that that guy appears yes he does

1597
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:30,820
yes he does and yeah people have seen

1598
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:32,650
him walking out of a room where somebody

1599
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:35,050
just died or standing next to of a an

1600
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:37,330
accident or causes the accident they

1601
01:14:41,700 --> 01:14:38,770
thought a man was standing in the road

1602
01:14:44,970 --> 01:14:41,710
they diverted and hit a tree and he's

1603
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:44,980
horrible and he's no small man people

1604
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:47,440
usually describe him being six foot tall

1605
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:49,330
and twelve feet tall

1606
01:14:53,569 --> 01:14:51,250
usually when he comes into a room he has

1607
01:14:56,629 --> 01:14:53,579
to crouch over on the seal

1608
01:14:59,389 --> 01:14:56,639
because he's that tall it's just the

1609
01:15:02,959 --> 01:14:59,399
most intimidating kind of feeling that

1610
01:15:06,799 --> 01:15:02,969
she can imagine I've had people tell me

1611
01:15:10,219 --> 01:15:06,809
things that are just so III don't even

1612
01:15:13,429 --> 01:15:10,229
know I've had one person I was a I was

1613
01:15:15,379 --> 01:15:13,439
supervising this therapist that was

1614
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:15,389
working under me and you know there's

1615
01:15:19,279 --> 01:15:17,280
always whispers like how that's the lady

1616
01:15:20,929 --> 01:15:19,289
who writes those books and my students

1617
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:20,939
like what kinds of books and I told her

1618
01:15:26,509 --> 01:15:24,239
briefly and I just like oh my god she's

1619
01:15:29,659 --> 01:15:26,519
like I have a story to tell you just

1620
01:15:31,069 --> 01:15:29,669
that was three years old I saw a fork

1621
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:31,079
sitting on the floor and then I looked

1622
01:15:34,849 --> 01:15:33,449
over to the outlet and I looked at the

1623
01:15:36,379 --> 01:15:34,859
fork and I looked at the outlet and I

1624
01:15:38,929 --> 01:15:36,389
know my mom told me don't stick anything

1625
01:15:41,419 --> 01:15:38,939
in it but I was so tempted she said when

1626
01:15:43,969 --> 01:15:41,429
all of a sudden this extremely is tall

1627
01:15:45,469 --> 01:15:43,979
man who was bent over at the ceiling

1628
01:15:48,049 --> 01:15:45,479
appeared right in front of me and bent

1629
01:15:52,459 --> 01:15:48,059
all the way down to within an inch of my

1630
01:15:56,329 --> 01:15:52,469
face and said go ahead stick it in I

1631
01:15:59,959 --> 01:15:56,339
mean to encourage a three-year-old to

1632
01:16:03,020 --> 01:15:59,969
kill herself this man has no limits and

1633
01:16:05,329 --> 01:16:03,030
he has no man at all I've had people say

1634
01:16:08,089 --> 01:16:05,339
oh he's a guardian for me that's I only

1635
01:16:10,849 --> 01:16:08,099
a small handful am i any comment gertie

1636
01:16:13,429 --> 01:16:10,859
a guardian well he doesn't scare me

1637
01:16:14,750 --> 01:16:13,439
and he's just watching and then I had

1638
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:14,760
somebody that was abused by their father

1639
01:16:17,989 --> 01:16:16,169
and they're like well one time he hit my

1640
01:16:23,329 --> 01:16:17,999
father and he slammed it across the room

1641
01:16:26,209 --> 01:16:23,339
oh yay you know it's just just weird and

1642
01:16:29,989 --> 01:16:26,219
sad but you know the sightings of him

1643
01:16:32,839 --> 01:16:29,999
are going up exponentially but it's

1644
01:16:37,729 --> 01:16:32,849
important to know that so are sightings

1645
01:16:40,179 --> 01:16:37,739
of Jesus going up exponentially and it's

1646
01:16:42,919 --> 01:16:40,189
a crazy phenomena going on in

1647
01:16:44,119 --> 01:16:42,929
predominantly Muslim countries believe

1648
01:16:46,429 --> 01:16:44,129
it or not there's several books written

1649
01:16:49,489 --> 01:16:46,439
on it and that Jesus is showing up not

1650
01:16:55,159 --> 01:16:49,499
just once but every night until they

1651
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:55,169
look into who he is so well I tell you

1652
01:17:02,359 --> 01:16:58,159
you know obviously you know Islamic

1653
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:02,369
extremists - the exception but a lot of

1654
01:17:07,069 --> 01:17:05,010
Muslims I know have a very high

1655
01:17:09,890 --> 01:17:07,079
reverence for Jesus

1656
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:09,900
and they speak about him in the highest

1657
01:17:14,209 --> 01:17:10,770
regard

1658
01:17:15,939 --> 01:17:14,219
oh yeah same here you know yeah yeah so

1659
01:17:18,109 --> 01:17:15,949
it's he he

1660
01:17:20,990 --> 01:17:18,119
definitely they acknowledged that you

1661
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:21,000
know he was someone special at the time

1662
01:17:27,229 --> 01:17:25,530
trying yeah yeah so it is interesting

1663
01:17:28,879 --> 01:17:27,239
and young we talked about that on this

1664
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:28,889
show last week about the Marian

1665
01:17:36,049 --> 01:17:31,290
sightings increased Jesus sightings now

1666
01:17:39,950 --> 01:17:36,059
do you find that it seems to me when

1667
01:17:42,140 --> 01:17:39,960
things are happening for instance when

1668
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:42,150
there are are revelations when there are

1669
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:45,449
these events these phenomenal events

1670
01:17:53,149 --> 01:17:49,130
like Marian sightings Jesus sightings

1671
01:17:56,419 --> 01:17:53,159
miraculous things going on doesn't it

1672
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:56,429
seem to you like there's a backlash of

1673
01:18:02,479 --> 01:17:59,760
this you know sort of a railing of the

1674
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:02,489
other side against what's going on it's

1675
01:18:07,069 --> 01:18:04,770
sort of you have a kind of a back and

1676
01:18:09,109 --> 01:18:07,079
forth and it's like it's like the title

1677
01:18:12,859 --> 01:18:09,119
of your book like the war like a little

1678
01:18:15,319 --> 01:18:12,869
secret war yeah yeah definitely you know

1679
01:18:18,109 --> 01:18:15,329
I would have never expected to have had

1680
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:18,119
a Jesus encounter at being such a

1681
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:20,730
skeptic that I was but my book called

1682
01:18:25,149 --> 01:18:23,010
Jesus no joke is actually my most highly

1683
01:18:27,290 --> 01:18:25,159
rated book it's crazy but anyways

1684
01:18:30,859 --> 01:18:27,300
immediately after having that first

1685
01:18:34,490 --> 01:18:30,869
encounter with him I was met right away

1686
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:34,500
with something very dark that questioned

1687
01:18:39,260 --> 01:18:36,960
what it was I had just experienced and

1688
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:39,270
tried to get me to question it out loud

1689
01:18:44,540 --> 01:18:42,570
as well and so yeah and you know I

1690
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:44,550
didn't know this but when I was sharing

1691
01:18:49,580 --> 01:18:47,280
like that story with people in the Bible

1692
01:18:51,020 --> 01:18:49,590
Belt Laura speaking at a UFO conference

1693
01:18:52,729 --> 01:18:51,030
they're like well that lets me know you

1694
01:18:55,220 --> 01:18:52,739
really did have an encounter because

1695
01:18:58,609 --> 01:18:55,230
that is a common theme of people who

1696
01:19:00,740 --> 01:18:58,619
have seen somebody like Jesus to be

1697
01:19:04,220 --> 01:19:00,750
followed up with something so evil and

1698
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:04,230
I'm like wow didn't know that but yeah

1699
01:19:10,700 --> 01:19:08,489
crazy stuff crazy stuff absolutely yeah

1700
01:19:13,220 --> 01:19:10,710
well you know I want to encourage

1701
01:19:15,470 --> 01:19:13,230
everyone to go to Heidi Hollis calm

1702
01:19:17,390 --> 01:19:15,480
check out everything that she's doing

1703
01:19:21,020 --> 01:19:17,400
you can see her show times on there

1704
01:19:24,620 --> 01:19:21,030
she's on Tuesdays with Kevin

1705
01:19:28,780 --> 01:19:24,630
and then she's on on Friday nights with

1706
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:28,790
herself and her wonderful guests so

1707
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:32,130
she's got some great ones on her show

1708
01:19:37,370 --> 01:19:34,080
it's very popular show I hope you guys

1709
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:37,380
will tune in the music is rolling want

1710
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:39,600
to thank you Heidi for coming on thank

1711
01:19:43,490 --> 01:19:41,970
you this is a lot of fun we won't make

1712
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:43,500
it easy so long next time yeah

1713
01:19:48,500 --> 01:19:46,410
absolutely and I want to thank MJ of

1714
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:48,510
course our wonderful wonderful MJ and

1715
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:50,610
thanks to everyone who joined us in the

1716
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:52,320
chat room with their wonderful comments

1717
01:19:58,760 --> 01:19:54,960
and questions and thanks again to Sousa

1718
01:20:03,470 --> 01:19:58,770
G for writing to me about tonight's

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[Music]

1720
01:20:53,010 --> 01:20:48,569
daddy where do babies come from

1721
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:53,020
uh well honey mommy went to the store oh

1722
01:20:59,669 --> 01:20:55,840
well you see um well there's a mommy and

1723
01:21:00,479 --> 01:20:59,679
a daddy right and see when they call

1724
01:21:02,609 --> 01:21:00,489
Geico

1725
01:21:05,010 --> 01:21:02,619
they could save a bunch of money on car

1726
01:21:06,930 --> 01:21:05,020
insurance oh really and that makes them

1727
01:21:10,140 --> 01:21:06,940
happy yes that makes them very happy

1728
01:21:11,310 --> 01:21:10,150
that's good yeah well I'm glad we could

1729
01:21:14,010 --> 01:21:11,320
have this talk sunshine